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This isn't the perfect thread for this question, but it's the best one I could think of.

In Up, Captain Peacock, Mr. Mash organizes a soup service since the staff have to wait an extra hour for lunch. He refers to minestrone as "mine strone" instead of how it's usually pronounced ("minay strow nay"). Does anyone know if "mine strone" is how the British pronounce the soup, or is it Mr. Mash's own pronunciation?
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This is a really cool thread. I just sat here and read it all at once. Nice discussions and nice answers to questions
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This isn't the perfect thread for this question, but it's the best one I could think of.

In Up, Captain Peacock, Mr. Mash organizes a soup service since the staff have to wait an extra hour for lunch. He refers to minestrone as "mine strone" instead of how it's usually pronounced ("minay strow nay"). Does anyone know if "mine strone" is how the British pronounce the soup, or is it Mr. Mash's own pronunciation?
I think it's Mr Mash's own, but also anyone of a class that has has only ever read the name on tins, not been to a restaurant or anywhere they'd hear it pronounced "authentically".

The British in general have a history of proudly pronouncing foreign words their own way, particularly French. Of course my mind's gone blank just now and I can only think of them saying "val-et" instead of "val-ay". But there are lots of others.
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:16 AM
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I think it's Mr Mash's own, but also anyone of a class that has has only ever read the name on tins, not been to a restaurant or anywhere they'd hear it pronounced "authentically".
That's what I was thinking, but I didn't know. As you said, sometimes those in the UK pronounce things differently than in other lands. Just like people in any country sometimes pronounce things differently than others....
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That's what I was thinking, but I didn't know. As you said, sometimes those in the UK pronounce things differently than in other lands. Just like people in any country sometimes pronounce things differently than others....
I think the English did it quite belligerently with French words, given the history between the two countries.

There's another example, in "Up Captain Peacock", where Grainger is cranky and refuses to serve a customer, telling Peacock that he has to go to the "staff cafe". Pronounced "cayf" not "cafay".

Certain members of my family love doing it. My favourite for many years was "panatchee". My sister wasn't in the loop and when she heard me say it she corrected me, saying, "It's panASH." (panache)

So I can't really tell whether Mash knows and is being amusing (if only to himself) or if he really doesn't know.
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I think the English did it quite belligerently with French words, given the history between the two countries.

There's another example, in "Up Captain Peacock", where Grainger is cranky and refuses to serve a customer, telling Peacock that he has to go to the "staff cafe". Pronounced "cayf" not "cafay".

Certain members of my family love doing it. My favourite for many years was "panatchee". My sister wasn't in the loop and when she heard me say it she corrected me, saying, "It's panASH." (panache)

So I can't really tell whether Mash knows and is being amusing (if only to himself) or if he really doesn't know.
I have always felt that English was invented in England and they must be the masters. Now I am not so sure.
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I have always felt that English was invented in England and they must be the masters. Now I am not so sure.
I've always felt that too. We here in the USA speak an Americanized dialect of English. It's to be expected, I would think.
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what does ms. brahms say in the episode - Sit Out about coming to work? i didn't get that?
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I found on Youtube a while back "the history of the English language". It's very interesting. The language at one point was only spoken by a few hundred people in England. When the french took over they kept marrying the locals and they kept the language alive by teaching it to their children.
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what does ms. brahms say in the episode - Sit Out about coming to work? i didn't get that?
are you referring to at the dinner table where she say's coming in to work on Larry Grayson Saturday and something about Roast and two veg Sunday... Sounds like she's saying she's tired of the daily routine.

I'm sure someone else can shed more light on it.

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yes that's the one, thank you
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I found on Youtube a while back "the history of the English language". It's very interesting. The language at one point was only spoken by a few hundred people in England.
Now English is only spoken by a few hundred here in the States.



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are you referring to at the dinner table where she say's coming in to work on Larry Grayson Saturday and something about Roast and two veg Sunday... Sounds like she's saying she's tired of the daily routine.

I'm sure someone else can shed more light on it.
You nailed it pretty good Walleye.
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why does she describe her job that way? i know she wants "Dallas" and is getting Coronation Street. i guess she doesn't want to work in a dept. store anymore?
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why does she describe her job that way? i know she wants "Dallas" and is getting Coronation Street. i guess she doesn't want to work in a dept. store anymore?
Dallas = Excitement

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I forgot the episode where she thought she's found the love of her life and he fell in love with the nurse's voice. The guy was rich.
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