Are You Being Served? Australian Version

[chrishanson70]

I thought we could discuss the curious case of "Are You Being Served? Down Under", I know there have been threads on this before, but I thought it might be nice to start new.

There are master tapes or copies of the show in the National Film and Sound Archive. The public is welcome to go in and view them from what I understand, has anyone here done this?

Also, a few years ago a couple of episode floated up on YouTube. That means someone has good copies of them...

[cloggedmind]

The long story:
I had put up the 6 that I have on YouTube. They are:

Get Fit Down Under, Mr. Humphries
The Hero
Dear Sexy Knickers
Front Page Story
Undesireable Alien
Diamonds Are A Man's Best Friend

I think I had bunged up a couple of Odd Man Out eps, too, before the Morality Police (Not Viacom, mind you!) jumped down my throat.

The copies of AYBS?DU! I have are window dubs made from the NFSA's access tapes. They are not bad but, certainly, not pristine, and they do show alot of wear.

The series is floating about in rights hell, at the moment, as no one at the NFSA seems to know (nor is it their responsibility to know) who would have distribution rights to the program. Lyle McCabe has passed on and, since Network 10 relinquished master copies to the NFSA, rights, presumably**, transfer to whoever owns the master tape. Thing is, the NFSA still can't distribute the show, nor would they want to, as they are only interested in preserving the material.

Still, the Archive is motivated by money, and there have been individuals who were able to pay an individual "license fee" to get copies of these shows. One of the posters here (some time ago) got 3 or 5 of the shows put on dvdr that way. Window dubs or clean? I don't know.


The short version:
:shrug:

[chrishanson70]

Well thank you for posting those a while pack, I downloaded a few of them just as .FLV files. I must have missed the Odd Man Out.

I wonder how much an individual "license fee" costs. I'll send out a few emails to NFSA.

[Greg WibblyWobbly]

I think I had bunged up a couple of Odd Man Out eps, too, before the Morality Police (Not Viacom, mind you!) jumped down my throat.


I think I know who we are talking about here. :roll:

Remember though this is Minki's board and if there is a problem with any member of this board then you can go directly to Minki about it. You don't have to feel bullied on this board.

[Red Shadow]

It was so neat to watch AYBS?DU! when those episodes were on YouTube. Even though many of the stories were re-hashed from the British version, seeing different actors and slightly different storylines was a lot of fun.

[John Inman Fan]

I've had a petition running for some time about these episodes since I'd love to see them released in it's entirety on DVD:

http://www.petitiononline.com/aybsau16/petition.html

I've been in touch with a few people about this so hopefully there will be a release in the near future. :) Keep your fingers crossed!

The fact that the "morality police" ie copyright holder(s) forced the removal of clips mostly means that there has been a release in terms of Odd Man Out or there might be a release in terms of the Australian AYBS. I know Minki does not support copyrighted materials being posted on the web and has stated that on her site. I fully agree with her on that matter and I'm sure if you were a copyright holder for the mentioned clips and saw them on the Web you would not be peachy keen about it either and would take the proper steps to get them removed. That looks like exactly what happened and I doubt any member here was behind that unless they happen to be the copyright holder.

I read awhile back that many major movie studios have programs set up with YouTube to screen out movie names to catch illegal clips. It seems to be a really serious problem on many fronts for both the film and music industry.

Marlies

[cloggedmind]

That looks like exactly what happened and I doubt any member here was behind that unless they happen to be the copyright holder.


Looks like it, but it isn't. Funny, though.. I'd rather see this show get a commercial release before, say for instance, oh, off the top of my head, maybe, Take A Letter Mr. Jones! :lol:

This show was never even re-transmitted, was it?

Still, if a dvd ever turns up, I guess that means there's hope for Tripper's Day!

[John Inman Fan]

If you don't think a copyright holder could have blown the whistle-then anything's possible with the diversity of people that are members or even just visit here. I'm sure the BBC keeps an eye on this forum and who knows how many other commercial companies? It could have been someone not even related to the forum that happened to come across your clips on YouTube and decided to report it, so I don't know where the assumption that one of us members was involved with this comes from? Unless you have proof from YouTube-nothing really holds up and you are most likely blaming people that really had nothing to do with it.

Anyhoo-I agree that this particular release takes priority over Take a Letter Mr Jones. I like everything John Inman played in though, but I agree with you here.

They showed the series at 3 different locations. Doesn't look like it was ever repeated though.

Since Tripper's Day was made by Thames-you might want to contact A&E since they bought most of the Thames shows a few years ago. http://www.aetv.com/

Marlies

[minki]

I've already posted my official statement on YouTube postings at the forum in this thread:
http://minki.net/aybsforum/showthread.php?p=74595#post74595

In addition to that statement, as there are now many programs on YouTube that are put up legally by their copyright owners, I leave the responsibility up to YouTube to keep track of/police their own content and determine what they will allow, and members can consider this when posting their links. Complaints about YouTube clips should be directed to YouTube as they're the ones in control of their content--directing your complaints to me will do no good as I will not complain to YouTube for you.

[Tinkerbell]

Does this mean I can post links to YouTube? I found some neat stuff there but I don't want any "Morality Police" after me.

[minki]

Does this mean I can post links to YouTube

Yes, you can post links here as long as the video is appropriate for the forum you're posting in and the content is suitable (TV-14 or below). Just use a little judgment as to whether it's appropriate for the forum and where it should go :) We'll move it if necessary.

If you mean uploading files to YouTube...well, that is between you and YouTube. You should contact them directly if you have any questions about uploading content there.

I found some neat stuff there but I don't want any "Morality Police" after me.

If any forum member harasses you or anyone else about YouTube links that you may post, please let me know immediately as that behavior will not be tolerated.

If a member has any concerns or objects to the content of the video...as I keep saying, they are better off contacting YouTube directly with their concerns, as they are the ones that control what videos they host.

[John Inman Fan]

Never mind-Everyone can do what they want is what it all boils down to. :)

Just so you know why I haven't been posting YouTube links here anymore:
I have posted many links to YouTube clips in the past as most of us have on this forum, but after realizing how unfair that is to the artists involved to "endorse" something that could be released commercially someday or has been released already I've decided to quit doing that unless I can be sure it was provided by the copyright holder themselves. That has been few and far between I should add. I know most people like putting YouTube links on since it's a "Wow-look what I found factor!" which can be tempting. ;)

Like they say, "Good things come to those who wait!" and someday the Australian AYBS series will be released and I'll be almost 1st in line to get it after being trampled. LOL! :lol:

Marlies

[Tinkerbell]

Thanks, Minki! I will let you know if I have any problems.

You have a great forum here!

[minki]

No problem...and thank you for the kind words :)

[minki]

I have posted many links to YouTube clips in the past as most of us have on this forum, but after realizing how unfair that is to the artists involved to "endorse" something that could be released commercially someday or has been released already I've decided to quit doing that unless I can be sure it was provided by the copyright holder themselves.

So I guess that means you won't be posting anymore articles that may have YouTube clips embedded in them as well, eh? ;) Just checking.

[John Inman Fan]

So I guess that means you won't be posting anymore articles that may have YouTube clips embedded in them as well, eh? ;) Just checking.

Depends on many factors when it comes to that. ;) But videos by themselves-no.

Marlies

[minki]

Depends on many factors when it comes to that. ;) But videos by themselves-no.

And what is the difference?

[Tinkerbell]

And what is the difference?

I was wondering that too. Either way, you still end up at the video. Doesn't make sense.

[John Inman Fan]

The difference is of the video "compliments" the article for example. Like if a news article provides a video to go with the article and both are from the same source. For example AP (Associated Press) would have an AYBS related article and a video to go with it from the same source or at least another affiliate that does video for news sources. Does that make sense? Here's an example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7895443.stm?lss

Another case would be if the video can be connected to the copyright holder that happened to create an article as well.

Marlies

[cloggedmind]

In case anyone missed it before, here's a quick outtake from the Aussie series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_25R4BBHYyc

And, just for kicks, here's Shane Bourne doing a kind of Steve Martin-ish bit with Shaun Micallef:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN037GD6hcA

[John Inman Fan]

Ahhh. I posted a link to the first one awhile back-see of I can find the link.

Yep here it is:

http://www.minki.net/aybsforum/showthread.php?t=2760

Had another blooper clip there too from the series.

John Inman seems to be a riot when it comes to bloopers! :) The link you posted with the mic happens to be my favorite find!

Marlies

[minki]

Ahhh. I posted a link to the first one awhile back-see of I can find the link.

Yep here it is:

http://www.minki.net/aybsforum/showthread.php?t=2760

Had another blooper clip there too from the series.

John Inman seems to be a riot when it comes to bloopers! :) The link you posted with the mic happens to be my favorite find!

Marlies

Inconsistency, thy name is Marlies :lol:

Seriously though, they're all good clips--thanks for sharing them with the board, everyone!

[John Inman Fan]

Keep labeling me-I'm very used to it. :lol: Easy for many people to do to me just like teasing! I prefer teasing, but oh well. :)

BUT in this case it's not inconsistent and here's why:

It's an old post; I did say I posted YouTube links at one time didn't I? Here's the proof and it just had the other clip too in it which I think the members here would find fun as well. Besides if you look closely this is from an archive firm which has a little more "merit" than an individual and falls under acceptable for me based on what I look for. I have different levels I work from which I'm sure you realize by now but who cares really?! Like I said before everyone does what they want and that's how it should be. Some people might agree with me some might not. That's what makes a fun and healthy forum!

When I post a link from YouTube that doesn't meet what I've mentioned/implied already you can call me inconsistent and rightly so! I'm not *totally* against YouTube and there are many exceptions I can live with too just like everyone else. :)

Bad
Commercial clips-If commercial DVDs are available why not get the DVD and pay some money to support the cause?
Commercial clips-If DVD's are not available why not wait until a release and get a proper DVD?
Commercial clips-Uploaded by an individual that got a copy from the library, etc and uploads for the public without permission from copyright holder or place they got clip(s) from.

So-So
Promo/Sample clips-Questionable, but depends on intention and the approach.

Good
Personal clips that people make from themselves, pets, etc.
Clips from archive places with discretion
Clips on News sites to compliment article

Ideal
Clips from the copyright holders directly
Clips that are not copyrighted/public domain-very few, but there are some

Am I really being that unreasonable with the standards I've set? Integrity of the site, etc. as well as how things are enforced depends on details like these I would think. See where I'm coming from?

Marlies

[minki]

See where I'm coming from?

To a point.
Though let's just say your posting history here also speaks volumes, and I shall leave it at that :yes:

Anyhow, moving onward and upward: in cloggedmind's "just for kicks" department, I found a clip that someone made. They created an animation to accompany John Inman's song...and it's pretty well done. Last time I checked, it was loading a bit slowly so be patient--it's worth the wait IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApgjbaE19dg

[John Inman Fan]

To a point.
Though let's just say your posting history here also speaks volumes, and I shall leave it at that :yes:

Anyhow, moving onward and upward: in cloggedmind's "just for kicks" department, I found a clip that someone made. They created an animation to accompany John Inman's song...and it's pretty well done. Last time I checked, it was loading a bit slowly so be patient--it's worth the wait IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApgjbaE19dg

I'm glad to hear I make an impression in this giant world helping/entertaining AYBS fans! There be more stuff from me coming soon here and elsewhere as I sort out the stuff I have. :D

Marlies

[Tinkerbell]

:lol: That's the funniest thing I've seen! The clip is great too! Thanks!
I'll post mine later.

[minki]

I'm glad to hear I make an impression in this giant world helping/entertaining AYBS fans!

Not quite what I meant :lol: But I'll agree: you're definitely an impression maker.

That's the funniest thing I've seen!

;)

The clip is great too! Thanks!

I thought people would like the Inman song one. Check out her other YouTube clips (AYBS and otherwise): she's pretty talented.

[John Inman Fan]

[quote=minki;126183]Not quite what I meant :lol: But I'll agree: you're definitely an impression maker.

Oh I know what you mean now. You consider me very opinionated as well as many other things. Oh well- that's what makes a forum. :) A diversity of people you deal with and have open discussions with. No one's perfect, but I have contributed quite a bit of AYBS stuff here too so I know I have been pretty beneficial here for that. It's not like I've been a complete waste of time here. ;)

From your FAQ:

"It can be very easy to misconstrue someone's words on a forum since all we have to go by are words on a screen. So if you're not sure what someone means, try to give a fellow poster the benefit of the doubt and believe they meant well. Or just come out and ask them what they meant."

Well?? Never happened to me funny enough and that's why "impressions" were made unfortunately which I'll have to pay for for the rest of my life.

"Respect other members and their opinions, even if you don't agree with them. And if you can't be nice to each other, you have to at least be civil in the threads."

All I can say here is Ha! unless it's just "bashing Marlies" week/month! :)

Marlies

[John Inman Fan]

Sorry-had to go off topic to stand my ground again :roll:<SIGH>

BTW: Has it been confirmed that an actor that played in the Australian series died in the fires there?

Marlies

[minki]

Sorry-had to go off topic to stand my ground again <SIGH>

BTW: Has it been confirmed that an actor that played in the Australian series died in the fires there?

Marlies

AFAIK thaven't found a body yet so no, it's not yet confirmed.

[John Inman Fan]

Just found this:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25042117-5018723,00.html

Looks that it has been confirmed.

Also found this:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/751311/tributes-to-legendary-actor-taken-by-fire/?rss=yes

Marlies

[minki]

Oh I know what you mean now. You consider me very opinionated as well as many other things. Oh well- that's what makes a forum. :) A diversity of people you deal with and have open discussions with. No one's perfect, but I have contributed quite a bit of AYBS stuff here too so I know I have been pretty beneficial here for that. It's not like I've been a complete waste of time here. ;)

From your FAQ:

"It can be very easy to misconstrue someone's words on a forum since all we have to go by are words on a screen. So if you're not sure what someone means, try to give a fellow poster the benefit of the doubt and believe they meant well. Or just come out and ask them what they meant."

Well?? Never happened to me funny enough and that's why "impressions" were made unfortunately which I'll have to pay for for the rest of my life.

"Respect other members and their opinions, even if you don't agree with them. And if you can't be nice to each other, you have to at least be civil in the threads."

All I can say here is Ha! unless it's just "bashing Marlies" week/month! :)

Marlies

Since you asked: I was referring to the fact that your posting history speaks volumes about your inconsistency regarding YouTube and copyright. I never said you didn't contribute to the forum--you have contributed a lot to the place. But you have been inconsistent on where you stand, and inconsistency was the topic of your post earlier. You are allowed to change your mind--we all are! You can also be opinionated if you like--most people are that too and like you said, that's what makes a forum interesting. But you have to admit that it does come off looking weird for you to decry YouTube content in one post, post the same type of YouTube clip whose content you decried, then change tack and decry it again when someone points that out :)

As far as impressions go: people are responsible for the impressions of themselves, so any impressions people have of you are a result of your own actions--you can't blame anyone but yourself. While there's some validity in "You never get a second chance to make a first impression", I've always believed that over time, a person's true character will show through regardless to either reinforce or negate those first impressions, so no, they are not necessarily life sentences. However, if you feel people still have certain impressions of you, then perhaps you need to step back and honestly look to see if your own actions are still contributing to those impressions.

I don't know what else to tell you that I haven't told you many times already. I can't change the impressions you've made: only you can do that, and you need to realize that doing that may take time. You seem to believe I have incredible sway over the minds of the members here, when in reality the only sway I have is over my own--I'm not responsible for anyone's impressions of you but mine. Ask any member here: none of them can honestly say I tell them what to think about you. Changing what people think about you is your own mission, should you choose to accept it.

Since we're starting to go in circles on an old topic, and since you're already posted your position on YouTube in a previous post, let's bring this thread back on topic. Anything not related to AYBS Australia will be deleted. In fact, I'll move the clip I posted to a new thread for discussion.

[minki]

Just found this:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25042117-5018723,00.html

Looks that it has been confirmed.

Also found this:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/751311/tributes-to-legendary-actor-taken-by-fire/?rss=yes

Marlies

In all likelihood they probably will never find the bodies due to the fire :( I guess you can't blame them for considering them dead. Thanks for the links.